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[puddingcat]

Heavens, I almost forgot to submit prompts for springkink! I've resubmitted 6 that weren't picked last time, and dreamed up 8 new ones. I think there's some good daegaer and louiselux bait in there to ease my first few weeks in my new job... < / puppydogeyes > ;)

This time, I will be good. I know I can't do more than a couple of short fics, especially with a move & everything associated with it. Please feel free to kick me if I appear to be doing otherwise.

ETA the bit I originally meant to write:

With all the LJ fuss about underage characters in fanfic / fanart, I'm not sure quite what to think of Jilly Cooper's latest (Wicked). I *like* Jilly Cooper, with all her 2-dimensional expositions and lack of understanding of anyone without a £200k house in the country. It reminds me of growing up during the Eighties :)

I'm less sure how to take sex scenes (not graphic, but certainly R-rated at times, in comparison with much of the fic out there) between schoolchildren. I *know* a large percentage of kids have sex before they're 16, but I'm still not comfortable with it being made sexy in a bestselling book. And, of course, why is it ok for a published author to write things that would get the user kicked off LJ?

Comments

[madwitch.livejournal.com]

Because she's Jilly Cooper, she's not publishing that on 6As servers and if her publisher is in the UK, then the US Obscenity laws that LJ said they were going to be ruling things by may not apply to said book, at least not in the UK.
LJ doesn't have to let the fanfic be on here at all, remember.

[puddingcat.livejournal.com]

Oh yes, I'm aware of all the 6A / LJ / US law stuff (I like to think of myself as being in the "not a silly teenager" 5% of fandom ;) ). I actually agree with LJ's crack down on fandom; my issues both times were with the way they handled things, rather than the substance of what they were doing.

It's the "Because it's Jilly Cooper" that makes me uncomfortable. Whether it's people writing about 14 year olds in the UK, 16s in the US or 10 year olds in Japan (ew), I have a problem with undeage sex being glamourised, with none of the related problems even being hinted at.

[madwitch.livejournal.com]

The first time? Badly done. The second time? Warnings of how things would be done were given in news posts, large amounts of fandom ignored said info.

Sadly, 'because it's Jilly Cooper' is probably the reason she can get away with it. Which is stupid.

[matgb]

Or, alternately, the US laws are a lot more liberal than ours are, but they still have lines that can be crossed—there is an artistic/literary merit test, they've stated that it'd be very hard for fic to cross that line, but pictures can and do do so a lot more easily.

If Jilly's book came attached with graphic pictures? They'd probably still let it through because it (scarily) has literary merit, whereas the two pics that were the cause of the problem really didn't have much merit at all.

Plus the idiots searching for and reporting stuff can spot an obscene pic when they see one, but readin' thos wurd fings?

LJ messed up, big time, and broke their own procedures as well, but the UK laws, last I looked, would clamp down a lot more on such images. Fic would be different though, and is pretty safe (now).

[madwitch.livejournal.com]

The obscenity laws that 6A keep quoting are pretty clear. Thing is, when it all first exploded and LJ were trying to fix the mess, they said that they'd be abiding by US obscenity laws (which say stuff about no graphic sexual depictions of people under 18, fictional or not, apparently), they quoted all this, and then the screaming fankids ignored it and claimed that LJ had never mentioned this when the user got banned for the Snarry pic. Giving them links is quite funny, things were clearly stated. This doesn't mean that LJ went about things the right way, but the info was in the news posts, ignoring it doesn't mean it doesn't apply to you.

The US obscenity laws are harsher than the UK ones.